They will respond with worship to the created thing Idolatry. I know, I mean, how many golf stories can one hear? And once fully addicted to the mind-blowing joy of preaching to a captive audience, who on earth wants to grub around in the tedious undergrowth of mundane serving of others? This year Ive been watching 5 churches that broadcast their worship live on Sundays. With one exception: If I was a pastor, I can understand taking 20-25 hours for study and sermon preparation. Both should be evident, though. So I went and prayed, then listened to his latest sermon and once again I was reminded possibly by the Holy Spirit how anointed this man is. The Youth and Family Pastor becomes Youth and Family Director when held by a female. Why we think the head guru can marriage counsel better than those in the Body who have successfully been married 40 plus years. Her health took a turn for the worse and she past away while in intensive care. Should it come from the pulpit only? their church planting efforts out of McLean. We are there as a BODY to ask what can we do to GLORIFY GOD?, @ Chris: Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. I dont remember the details, just that I got the idea that they shouldnt be encouraged to attend and fellowship with the body if theyre not comfortable making a commitment in writing. Insidious idolatry always tries to put the created thing ahead of the Creator. A lot of these groups are, to my mind, strongly analogous to the none/done population. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. All of which probably sounds more dismissive than I mean it to. So then why else? Example: did the church meet in individual homes? Have you considered that its because most megachurch pastors care very little about Scripture, as thats just not the point? He is just a big idea guy. 2) And making way too much of it at the other. He was completely tone deaf to our concerns. ", My son replied "No, Daddy, but it's a good story!". Could you quote me some specific passages on that? Cheaper.only pay one pastor and get double the offerings? "At Grace Church, there are three things and ONLY three things that I do: I meet with the staff/apprentices, I preach about 70% of the time, and I lead a small group in my home. But you know what I mean: they didnt go there predominantly to be public speakers. That is it. She would send me links and all kinds of stuff and say she swears it is all linked together somehow with these guys. As I recall, that didnt come out too well for them, or for their father. A lot of people love David Platt but I am not a fan, and the idea that he can lead the IMB and spend that much time on one sermon per week, while trying to raise a family and be a godly man, is astonishing to me. This leaves the door wide open for our congregation to see areas of leadership where they are needed, and to respond accordingly.. Surely the pastor should be praying and asking God what He wants the pastor to say to this particular congregation in this particular moment? Translation: I want the congregation to pay me (out of their hard earned money) to read John Piper and Gospel Glitterati books all day and fob off the real work to someone else. Remembering your thoughts from another post equating charismatics need for a sign (miracles) and evangelicals need for a sign (changed lives), I suppose preaching is another sign that is used to mesmerise the patrons, and like you suggest, build an empire. but Pastor is certainly not it. But I wonder if the drawbacks of the megachurch are worth those benefits. The legal profession just balks. *looks skyward, whistles*. Im astonished this is not the done thing, at least in my town. It is only a money and power grab for them. Im the face of my department to other groups within the enterprise and I walk a fine line between encouraging people to put all their cards on the table but then subsequently recommending steps these groups should take to keep their particular issue from occurring again. Its important to be patient and understanding when communicating. Fear strikes at the hearts of the men of the NAMB. Madness. The pastor spends no time ministering to the congregation or outside it. I remember reading a novel years ago in which one character was into transcendental meditation; and another character (probably speaking for the author) described him thus: You get the comforts of religion without the responsibility. I think we see a lot of cases where pastors shy away from becoming friends with the people in their church. http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF%20Books/A%20Defense%20of%20Calvinism%20by%20Spurgeon.pdf Books. I explain I can't do funerals, visits, phone calls, or meetings. Local believers who had plenty sharing personally with other local believers who had need? But that doesnt make him wrong for being basically a supply preacher. Actually, it is the Biblical model. And I think a pastor saying they will NOT do these things says something negative about their attitude. Why would people say Jesus loves me and just stop there; where is the rest of the sentence as to what that means to be loved by God? I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Catching a celebrity pastor is the latest craze amongst growing churches with money an whoe leadership is seeking prestige. David Platt (ThM, PhD, New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary) is the pastor-teacher of McLean Bible Church, founder of Radical, and a Council member of The Gospel Coalition. WebDavid Platt Introduction: David Platt, The disciples world had just been rocked when Jesus turned their thinking up-side down about what makes someone clean. No longer is this business an artisan bakery, but a big time corporation. Different people; different needs. As for the public gathering, God promises to be present where two or three are gathered. WebHaving a speech impairment can be a very frustrating and embarrassing experience for the person experiencing it. We had not heard of David Platt before he came there, but we have already decided we will be moving on. Hmmmis there NO one in the UK and/or Ireland who can speak at the FIEC Leaders Conference that an American has to be imported? This year they have got the Pied Piper and years ago they hosted Mark Driscoll. Preaching is fun. I had no idea who David Platt was two months ago, until I started listening to his sermons. You are correct if one finds a 501(c)3 church establishment which has all the makings/trappings of being a place where one man is apparently in charge, this is certainly not a true biblical representation of a local body of Christ. And yet theyre the very people we should be hearing about, because they are setting an example worth following. Small fellowships are well and good, but you darn well better get your fanny in a seat to hear the pastor preach on a regular basis, or else youre doin it wrong. They involve prep time, sometimes some fairly in-depth research and number crunching with a spreadsheet when I have to bring in a group to talk over why they have so many issues in a six month period or why their change requests failed more often than the average. AMEN! Incidentally, Platt captained England on numerous occasions and his Wiki bio says the following: The official England history regarded him as a tireless runner and tidy passer, leading by quiet example providing inspiration at a time when it was a rare commodity. How can you pastor a church if you dont meet the sheep???? One reason that have always respected Billy Graham is because he knew that he was called to be an Evangelist not a Pastor. Birds of a feather. Nonprofits are one of my fields of research. Anyone can listen to Platt on podcasts. I had often wondered whether they just liked to hear themselves speak? If I want to just listen to a sermon I can do that online. Warren observes that this never impresses him, and that it raises the question of whether they love the people theyre preaching to as much as they love the rush of public speaking. Sorry for initiating a rabbit trail but to clarify a classical liberal is more like a libertarian but sees the need for just a tad more government. Its the wrong place for them and they ought to go out and look for a better fitnot quotes from the letter, but a general impression I have retained from reading that Mailbag article a few years ago. Many times the pastor would come over to her home after the Sunday service for coffee, cake and to talk. @ Nick Bulbeck: Its all part of the business. I just listened to a YRR pup give a 45 minute tearful sermon on the huge sacrifice he is making to leave the church he ruined after 5 years to be a teaching pastor in a mega. The Church is there to train us, teach us. Personally collecting and sending funds from one local body of believers to a non-local body of believers who were in need? The impact on the muslim world is accomplished very slowly through sincere friendships made through contacts by normal working people. I remember a quote from Rick Warrens The Purpose-Driven Church in which he describes how often he hears pulpit professionals tell him, I just love to preach! I dont think this is the only issue, but I think it is one. Yes- he is doing it for free. He also is not going to get a salary for this new position. The Anyabwiles can draw a bigger crowd? So disheartening. Pastor X called me by my names tonight when he handed me the bread. Thanks! I hope not. Next week, we will address some of the explanations by the other commentators. However, I do think it represents something about care and compassion of the sheep and knowing them by name. But I also think it has two drawbacks: 1) Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme. McLean has gradually lost the credibility it once had back in the 80s and 90s. Or just not on Sunday morning. a person who herds, tends, and guards sheep. If one is to fulfill the requirements of love, then it is not enough that God loves us but we must also love God, the first and greatest commandment. We made funerals and weddings church events when they never were in Bible times. Find a pastor who will do your funeral and not punt it to the third tier pastoral staff. I disagree here. We need each other to properly interpret scripture the body. Tree wrote: They cannot-plain and simple. Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! PS-I am sorry to burst your bubble but the church is often run and controlled by a small group of men. I asked to meet with the pastor and was referred to an intern and then to a lay minister. God is interested in and respects what we think, our initiative, our ideas, our plans, our decisions To shepherd is literally to feed. Also, the church scattered (during the week) is where much evangelism and service takes place, because they have just been fed on Gods great love. If he recognizes a familiar face, he has a short chat. What do you reckon the remuneration will be for this part-time pastoring? No disrespect to the multitude of honest, hard working real pastors who labor faithfully, week in and week out in normal churches with an average of 100-200 in attendance each week. His sermons his weekend gig are dark and uninspiring. Faithful proclamation of Gods Word is essential, because it is upstream of faith and worship/service. Hopefully they will all burn themselves out by being crazy busy like Platt and go away! Washing disciples feet delegate. As Teaching Pastor at MBC, Dr. Platt would continue the pattern of being with his family in this local church approximately 65% of his weekends. (That may be why they havent pushed us too hard to sign the old one. They said its a new testament model so it is. How to Resign from a Church Real people need real pastors who walk with them through real life like Jesus did, not an image projected on a screen that is scripted and is not real. He had an 8 week hiatus in July and August, nice work if you can get it. It is a megachurch inthe DC areawith 5 locationsand claims an attendance of 13,000 each weekend. I am certainly not saying that my job is equivalent to giving a sermon at church but I do have to lead the meeting, I have to ask the right questions and ferret out information that people may be unwilling to give (but we tell them up front, this is not a fault-finding exercise). Many in the radical reformation rejected that idea as unbiblical. He and his wife have 7 children. No vote, no discussion, just heres who it is, like it or not. Why are we so stupid? Must be a slow reading inefficient thinker.). Take this opportunity to tell these supposed *pastors* what you think a pastor should be. However, imagine being the pastor of a mega church. There are now NO laypeople chairing committees. But does mission swamp the Church? Learn from the Primitive Baptists and early Holiness folks (not todays clergy model) and early Quakers (not todays nonChristian version.). Im afraid for our church. I spend 7-10 hours studying Gods word and I am not preparing a sermon. Probably never will. I dont disagree. One of many reasons I am not a fan of institutionalied/bureaucracy-ized Churchianity. David Joseph Platt is an American evangelical Baptist pastor. one person i talked to went to so far as to say we cant allow this, or else our tax-exempt status would be jeopardized. Last Thursday night, my church hosted a community hearing about a city street-widening project in the immediate area which affected them among others. Bless him). For what its worth, my spouse and I are part of a home fellowship. It is also a biological code. That is simply not a position that exists in the New Testament. I have said for years, that the problem with many of these pastors is that they want to be Evangelists like Billy Graham, but they want the security of a permanent church. And yet, in spite of all that, that man led them in circles for forty years until everyone whod started on the journey was dead and desiccating in the desertand even that humble man himself blew it and died without entering the Promised Land. @ Law Prof: One would hope that those who have been given the gift of pastoring by the Holy Spirit, would likewise live their lives and ministries appropriately. So what? Im aware that the owner of a local restaurant does something similar. I mean its not that big of a deal until you look at a pattern in the entire movement. Books. I mean, I dont have a problem with using commentaries and resources to help plan a sermon. think of how useful the church facility could be to the community instead of sitting closed up 96% of the week. You can support him by experiencing him as your pastor for several years. So far they havent bothered us too much about the whole covenant signing thing, but Im concerned Whats going to happen when the new church covenant to replace the old (two churches are merging) comes in, and the push comes to get everyone to sign the new one? In other words, I am thinking that different people have different needs, and some folks cannot deal with chaos and want rules and procedures and organization and having somebody in charge. One of the benefits this boundary has brought to our church is that we are very clearly not a pastor-centered church. (1) McLean Bible Church, https://www.mcleanbible.org. 13. everyone who knows the Lord has a calling to the ministry, all of us are high priests, and every calling is of utmost importance. Our forefathers knew that the study of Gods Word and prayer was the foundation for ministry. When I was in my former church, my husband, a friend and I led a Sunday school class that was well attended. Some are completely reasonable, and some would run any old church in an area that appreciated out of town. We are called to be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, so the more I followed up with Davids teaching I found that he plays fast and loose with Gods word. Nonprofits are one of my fields of research. +++++++++++++++++++++++. The worst, to me, is that much of this is NOT ministry. for those working normal jobs in the community. He will preach without being involved in his church-unless he is cheating in other areas. As all were replaced their titles changed with the word pastor not minister. God wants to team with us and envigorate the process with his life-giving, explosive self What does any of this have to do with God? We need to assemble, and we need each other to live out the one anothers. Christ gave Himself for the Church. 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